Learning management systems for companies of 2,000 people or more

At 2,000 people or more, the products differ on four things. They differ on how they run many countries and where they hold your data. They also differ on who administers them and how they link to your HR system.

Size

Nine of the ten have a named customer of 15,000 people or more. Absorb’s figure is nearly 25,000 registered users. Docebo gives an audience range of 250 to over 100,000 users instead. Size will not shortlist anyone.

Countries

Large customers run in two ways. JBS USA puts 92,000 employees on one 360Learning platform. Vaillant Group runs 23 separate Valamis platforms in 21 countries. Ask which model each vendor’s large customers use.

Data

Check where your data sits and who can reach it. Absorb hosts in five regions. In its UK government offer, Cornerstone lets customers select the hosting location. Under Kallidus’s UK government offer, users cannot control where data is stored.

HR system

Ask which way data flows. With SAP SuccessFactors, assignments flow into Valamis and completions flow back. Docebo’s Workday connector imports users from Workday. LearnUpon’s Workday link sends user details one way, into LearnUpon.

Price

The three public prices for 5,000 people run from £44,400 to £132,713 a year. More outside-group domains add to Docebo’s price. Kallidus charges more for implementation above 10,000 users.

Vendors draw the enterprise line in different places

Vendors disagree on where mid-market ends. Bridge builds its platform for companies of 250 to 5,000 people. Cornerstone calls 1,000 to 5,000 people midsize. Docebo’s main audience runs from 250 to over 100,000 users. A company of 2,000 people sits inside all three ranges. Ask each vendor which plan it would sell you.

So the label will not tell you what a platform does at scale. The shortlist below starts with what the products do.

Ten platforms to compare at 2,000 people or more

One platform for everyone, or one for each country

The large customers run their platforms in two ways. JBS USA runs 92,000 employees on a single 360Learning platform. It moved 10 older systems onto the platform and runs in 14 languages. Vaillant Group runs 23 separate Valamis platforms across 21 countries. PepsiCo uses Totara with a separate area, which Totara calls a tenancy, for each country. It serves over 15,000 users in 15 or more languages. Totara and Valamis can also give each outside group, such as partners or suppliers, its own separate area. Cornerstone is available in 50 languages and Docebo supports more than 50. Valamis can deliver the same programme in the language each outside audience works in. Ask each vendor which model its large customers use, and what each extra copy costs.

Where your data sits and who can reach it

A company in many countries needs to know where its staff data is stored. Absorb hosts in five regions across North America, Europe, Australia and China. Its client data stays in the selected region but may be accessed from outside it for support and sub-processing. LearnUpon stores data in the EU, the US or Australia. Outside the EU, this is for new customers only, depending on the plan. It may process data outside that region to give 24x7 support. Valamis stores and processes EU customers’ data in EU Azure data centres by default, with US hosting on request. In its UK government offer, Cornerstone lets customers select the hosting location, including London. In its UK government offer, Kallidus stores and processes data in the UK. Users cannot control the location. Ask every vendor to name the region and the countries that can reach your data.

Who runs it day to day, and how long it takes

At this size managers should see only their own people. Someone named should run the set-up. Kallidus’s standard Manager role sees only the manager’s own team members. LearnUpon’s manager permissions apply only to learners in the manager’s groups. At Degreed, a member with permission, such as a manager or Group Admin, assigns learning. In its UK government offer, Kallidus puts a typical implementation at around 8 to 12 weeks. Totara’s network of 75 or more certified partners handles implementation, hosting and ongoing support. Ask each vendor who does the set-up and how long it takes.

Which way data flows between your HR system and the platform

Valamis keeps your HR system as the main record. With SAP SuccessFactors, assignments flow into Valamis and completions flow back. 360Learning’s SuccessFactors connector moves users across. Docebo’s Workday connector imports users from Workday. LearnUpon’s Workday link sends user details one way, from Workday into LearnUpon. Kallidus has pre-built connectors for Workday, SAP SuccessFactors and Oracle HCM. Ask each vendor whether completions flow back to your HR system.

Ten platforms for companies of 2,000 people or more
Product Proof of size HR systems it connects to How it prices and counts users Renewal and notice
360Learning JBS USA, with 92,000 employees on one platform. A SAP SuccessFactors connector. The Workday connector has a separate price. Custom quote. Counts registered users, monthly active users, or a mix. The US agreement starts at 36 months unless the order form sets another period. Business and Enterprise plans are generally offered as annual contracts. Two months’ notice by registered letter.
Docebo Main audience runs from 250 to over 100,000 users. A Workday connector imports users. Embedded links such as Salesforce and Teams cost extra. Custom quote by product tier and yearly active users. Most customers sign 3 to 5 years. 60 days’ notice. The renewal fee is the current price or 10% above the highest earlier fee, whichever is lower.
Absorb POOL/PACT, with nearly 25,000 registered users and 13,000 learners. Mister Car Wash, with over 7,000 users. Workday, Dayforce, ADP, UKG Pro and SAP SuccessFactors are its most popular links. Connectors are an added feature. No public price. Talk to sales. Renews for 12 months with 30 days’ notice. The user count cannot be decreased during the term.
Cornerstone Maryland’s transport department, with 15,000 to 17,000 users. Workday, ADP, UKG and BambooHR. Per employee per year. The cost is estimated after a demo. UK government terms. Pricing assumes at least two years. No right to end the contract early without a reason.
Totara PepsiCo, with over 15,000 users and a separate area in each country. Workday, SAP SuccessFactors, Cornerstone HCM, BambooHR and more. Set by user tier. Its licence counts accounts that logged in during 12 months. Its government terms count accounts that existed. Cloud terms need 30 days’ notice. Government terms need 60.
Valamis Vaillant Group, with 17,500 employees and 23 separate platforms in 21 countries. Workday, SAP SuccessFactors, BambooHR, HiBob and Oracle PeopleSoft. Per learner. The agreed tier is the minimum for the whole term. Three years is standard. 90 days’ notice.
Degreed Cigna. Degreed’s story says 70,000 employees. Workday and SAP SuccessFactors are featured links. An additional HR system integration is sold as a service. Personal quote based on headcount, needs and budget. The terms can be ended only if the other side seriously breaks them and does not put it right. Written notice is 30 days.
Kallidus Guide Dogs, with 15,500 employees. Workday, SAP SuccessFactors and Oracle HCM, plus Azure AD and Okta for logins. Per named user per year on its UK government price document. The price falls in bands. UK terms run three years unless the order form sets another period. US terms renew yearly with 30 days’ notice.
LearnUpon Adecco Group, with over 35,000 employees. The Workday link sends user details one way, from Workday into LearnUpon. An account executive recommends a plan after a conversation. Renews for 12 months unless either side gives 30 days’ written notice.
Learningbank Salling Group, with 68,000 employees. HiBob and BambooHR are among its HR system links. A quote matched to workforce size and rollout. One-year minimum, renewing each year. Three months’ notice. Fees may rise by inflation plus up to 3% a year.

Three more platforms have large customers too

Schoox has Five Guys, with 51,000 employees, and its Workday link enrols employees in training and tracks learning data. Fuse has Scandic Hotels, with 18,000 team members. CYPHER Learning has EastWest Bank, with over 6,000 employees. Ask each for its price, renewal notice and user-counting rule before you add it to your shortlist.

A course library only helps if its completions reach your platform

Skillsoft’s connector plays its Percipio courses inside Cornerstone, Degreed, SAP SuccessFactors, SumTotal and Workday. LinkedIn Learning sends completions to Workday. Pluralsight sends completions and its Skill IQ results back to Workday, SAP SuccessFactors and Cornerstone. Check the library’s connector for your platform before you buy either one.

What 5,000 people cost on published price sheets

Most vendors quote in private. Absorb publishes no price and tells buyers to talk to sales. Cornerstone charges per employee per year and estimates the cost after a demo. 360Learning’s Business and Enterprise plans are custom. Degreed and Learningbank quote against headcount and need. Valamis prices per learner. The figures below come from price documents filed for UK public bodies, so a private company may be quoted differently.

Public prices for about 5,000 users, per year
Product Price per year Other charges
Docebo £77,969 on Elevate or £132,713 on Enterprise, for 5,000 yearly active users. Onboarding is a mandatory add-on at £11,200, paid once. The prices assume a 36-month contract.
Totara £44,400 on Base, £51,700 on Premium or £62,200 on Ultimate, for 5,000 users. A support package is mandatory, at £3,900 to £13,000 a year. Setup costs £9,500 to £19,000, paid once. Each work-account login link costs £1,750, paid once.
Kallidus £66,536.50 for 5,000 users, excluding VAT. Hosting, upgrades and support are included. Standard setup costs £3,000 per service, once.

At Kallidus, the bill changes shape above 10,000 users. It charges £3,000 per service for standard implementation up to 10,000 users and £7,000 per service above that. Above 30,000 users, its UK government price is £170,686.50 a year plus £1.93 a year for each additional user. Ask each vendor what changes at your headcount.

Absorb charges by the hour for extra work. It charges $200 an hour for extra training and $275 an hour for customisation work. Ask each vendor for its rate card before you sign.

What goes wrong at enterprise scale

Each outside group or country may add to the price

On a UK reseller’s price list, Docebo charges £4,385 a year for each block of 5 domains. Domains serve outside groups. Docebo’s Enterprise plan adds extended enterprise for up to 10 domains. Valamis’s Enterprise package includes multi-domain and extended enterprise support. Ask what each separate area costs before you choose one copy per country.

Leavers can keep licences in use

Degreed uses up a licence at a person’s first login. A used licence cannot be reallocated while Degreed still stores any data for that person. When many people leave, ask how long Degreed keeps their data.

A missed uptime promise pays out in different ways

Degreed extends your service term by five days at no cost when uptime falls between 95% and 99.49%. It extends the term by ten days below 95%. In its UK government offer, Kallidus cuts the fee when uptime drops below 99.5%. It cuts 10% of the pro-rata monthly fee for each 2% or part below. The cut can reach the whole month’s fee. Ask for the remedy in the contract and compare what each one gives back.

What should you ask before you sign?

  1. 360Learning: Which customer moved a similar number of older systems onto one platform, and how long did it take? Good answer: A named reference and a timeline.
  2. Docebo: What would extended enterprise domains cost for our outside groups? Good answer: A price for each block of domains.
  3. Absorb: Which region will hold our data, and who outside it can reach it for support? Good answer: A named region and a list of the countries that can reach our data.
  4. Cornerstone: Can each country’s data sit in its own hosting location? Good answer: A written yes or no, with the locations.
  5. Totara: What does each separate area for an outside group cost? Good answer: A price for each area.
  6. Valamis: How many separate platforms would our countries need, and what does each cost? Good answer: A number and a price for each platform.
  7. Degreed: How long do you keep a leaver’s data before their licence is free again? Good answer: A fixed period in the contract.
  8. Kallidus: Can we fix the hosting country in our contract? Good answer: A written country, not a general statement.
  9. Kallidus: How long will our implementation take, and who does the work? Good answer: A date range and named people.
  10. LearnUpon: Is hosting outside the EU open to us on our plan, and where is support given from? Good answer: A written yes or no for our plan, and the support locations.

If your situation is different

A division or a country may buy on its own budget. If it has 200 to 2,000 people, read our guide to learning platforms for mid-sized companies instead.

Does Workday, SAP SuccessFactors or Oracle already run your HR? Read our guide to the learning tools inside HR systems. Training that auditors check has its own guide for regulated industries. Staff who do not work at a desk have one for frontline teams.

Works council rules in Germany, the Netherlands and France are in our guide to learning management systems. For the full field, read that guide and its full comparison.

Sources and method Everything said here about each vendor comes from the vendor’s own material. That means its website, product pages, price documents, help centre, contracts and customer stories. What a vendor publishes about its own product is taken as its description of that product. Several prices come from price documents. Vendors and resellers filed them for UK public bodies on G-Cloud, the UK government’s buying framework. The labour-law points come from the laws themselves.

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